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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 20 jul 2018, 17:57 
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Remember Phil, the “Kemphaan” will take too much time to pitch :idea:

The pitching time you would like to achieve will only become within reach with “Kapmeeuw”, “Mantelmeeuw” and “Kleine Burgemeester”. The last one is too small for you I’m afraid.


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 20 jul 2018, 18:30 
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Kleine Burgemeester #1
€350, current bid of €225 - Seller thinks around 2 to 3 weeks use (?)
https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/caravans-e ... b9c5b7a618


This is not a Kleine Burgemeester. It is a Dwergmeeuw. A much smaller tent, just big enough to sleep two without luggage.


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 20 jul 2018, 18:36 
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Remember Phil, the “Kemphaan” will take too much time to pitch :idea:

The pitching time you would like to achieve will only become within reach with “Kapmeeuw”, “Mantelmeeuw” and “Kleine Burgemeester”. The last one is too small for you I’m afraid.

Thanks Emile. My budget has increase to approx 450, does that add any tents to my shortlist?


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 20 jul 2018, 22:25 
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My budget has increase to approx 450, does that add any tents to my shortlist?

I'am affraid not, on the contrary....


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 20 jul 2018, 23:39 
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My budget has increase to approx 450, does that add any tents to my shortlist?

I'am affraid not, on the contrary....


How low a price does the Grote Bonte Specht go for? If it was in my budget, would it be a suitable tent?


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 21 jul 2018, 08:00 
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To my humble opinion is the “Grote Bonte Specht” not a suitable tent for you. It is a beautiful shaped tent, but does not match your SI-mats.

If you are willing to spend more time in pitching the tent, let’s say 30-45 min. The basic (no windscreens, no awning) Kemphaan, Grutto type I and Goudplevier are the best choices. Kapmeeuw en Mantelmeeuw are less pretty but easier to pitch.

What do you think about this one, it is a bit out of your budget but still.......:
Maybe worthy to wait for extra savings.... :?:

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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 21 jul 2018, 09:07 
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Thanks Emile, my main priority is speed to build so shall set up alerts for Kapmeeuw and Mantelmeeuw on Marktplaats.

That is a very pretty tent, can you fit 3 mats? How far out of my budget is it?


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 21 jul 2018, 13:36 
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That is a very pretty tent, can you fit 3 mats? How far out of my budget is it?


Width at the door: 280 cm, in the back: 200 cm
Depth: 230 cm
See: http://atomatent.nl/cabana.html

Costs: Only as new tent available at almost three times your budget........ :?

Ps. Avoid the windscreens, they are very hard to pitch correctly........

The tent on the picture above was a test camp of me with a test model from the factory.
This one is mine:

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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
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Or just buy a Goudplevier. That is very easy to pitch. And you can look for one second hand.


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
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Sorry Rolph that’s not quite right. A Goudplevier is harder to pitch than the Cabana basic tent, due to the fact that all poles with the Cabana can be installed without the necessity of entering the tent it self :!:


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
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That is not a vert good reason to say the entire tent is easier to pitch.
A Goudplevier is easy and fast to pitch. I doubt if that Atomatent is just as quick.


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
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That is not a vert good reason to say the entire tent is easier to pitch.
A Goudplevier is easy and fast to pitch. I doubt if that Atomatent is just as quick.


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 23 jul 2018, 10:52 
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I doubt if that Atomatent is just as quick.


I' am sure :roll: , and the Cabana has a larger and very practical standard awning.


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 24 jul 2018, 19:20 
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rolph schreef:
I doubt if that Atomatent is just as quick.


I' am sure :roll: , and the Cabana has a larger and very practical standard awning.


Hi Emile, unfortunately, for the purposes of this thread the Cabana is not an option due to budget, The Goudplevier is occasaionally on Marktplaats within my budget, or just a little more.

Rolph - the size of the Goudplevier looks perfect, but i get scared when i see the amount of poles (6
poles in 15 pieces), almost as many as my ZIlvermeeuw. (8) The Kapmeeuw and Mantelmeeuw only have 3 poles and seem much quicker than even the Goudplevier.

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reading a few other threads, it seems that the Goudplevier / ZIlverplevier is the next quickest 3 man tent to build. I like the Kemphaan but it is slower to build according to a few posts,


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 24 jul 2018, 21:20 
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Poles can be organized well with a pole organizer. I prefer two more poles over 10 more ground and 10 more guy-line pegs any day. In theory one would need to calculate an index per tent in terms of poles factored in with amount of ground pegs and amount of guy-line pegs to come to a conclusion. As said, I favor poles over pegs, but that is just me.

The Kapmeeuw (a beauty), a tent De Waard should continue, would have one of the best of those calculated indexes, little poles, litte ground pegs and little guy-line pegs, great height, good space. It can be satisfactory extended with a simple tarp and one more pole to gain "outside" protected living area.

The Goudplevier is really the next best "current" thing, and is often available for an attractive price. Kapmeeuw, at least of what I saw the last three years on MP, is much more seldom to get in really good shape. However, the Goudplevier only shines with full rig, so plus a serreluifel and two windscherms. In all honesty, then it is not a "one night" tent anymore. Pegs become endless.

Also in all honesty, besides a "basic" Kapmeeuw, there is little what I would dare to call a real one night tent in a 3P category. Tents becomes big fast. When people talk one night, then often really about the small De Waard tents. So with bigger kids (which you don't have) they take two small tents. If you set up a Grote Bonte Specht, it will also mainly shine with (XL) tarp. Once that is done, you also had your fun with pegs, but anyway....it does not fit your dimensions.

Conclusively, I would go for a Goudplevier just because you find it more often in excellent shape very nicely priced and then live with some small downsides vs. a Kapmeeuw. We set up our Goudplevier any day with more fun than our former Overloper :) If you find a decent Kapmeeuw, I would not take any second guess.....jump on it.

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