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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 25 jul 2018, 08:20 
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Maybe a few more words on the Kemphaan. The Kemphaan has the advantage, that is has a nice bigger frontside roof (great for two big chairs) vs. many other tents in that size category. There is a chance in stable non turning winds and rain situations to live without an extra tarp with just maybe one windscherm. So in a one night application = two days, you may like that extra rain protection, especially in the UK :)

However, be ware of the 170cm height situation. When cooking, the slanted front roof will even make my wife crouch a bit, so when we take our Kemphaan for a 4 to 5 days trip "times" cooking, she dreams of our Goudplevier where she can stand up straight. We have the old Goudplevier with the lower front entry. The benefit of the newer Goudplevier, at least every time we visit Heerde, we find minimal, if not totally obsolete (my opinion). Many think different and prefer the new Goudplevier. Whether you can get a never Goudplevier with all options in your price range, can be a tough one.

If you (and your neck) can live with crouching when entering and cooking under the front roof, the Kemphaan has a lot of space due to the two front and back pole construction = shoulder width space. We feel you need at least one windscherm, maybe you disagree. With at least one windscherm the difference in pure setup vs. a Goudplevier, poles and pegs, becomes almost non existing, the more you add, especially for turning weathers. Goudplevier and Kemphaan are very close in poles and pegs. It is the small bag for a serreluifel, if both tents have two windscherms and two extra poles that make a (small) difference. Due to its "overhangs", the basic Kemphaan bag almost feels like a bigger tent. Our older Goudplevier does not have the extra mosquito door, so the tent bag feels equal to our Kemphaan.

As said before, there is in my opinion nothing besides a basic Kampmeeuw that I would dare to call a real one night 3P tent. A Kemphaan setup with one windscherm is nothing you want to take apart the next day. Once you added one or two windscherms, a tent carpet maybe and sleeping stuff. When we take our old Kemphaan to De Waard Winterbeleving, we try to make it a minimum for two nights, three days.

From pure tent construction, the setup of the "two main poles" tents, like a Kapmeeuw or Kleine Burgemeester cannot be beat. The Overlooper is too complex. Our Dwergmeeuw is similar in the main design and it is fast to setup, we expect nothing less from the Kampmeeuw. After some circling.....I really do not understand, why the Kapmeeuw, so easy to build, was taken out of the line....

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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 25 jul 2018, 08:31 
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Poles can be organized well with a pole organizer. I prefer two more poles over 10 more ground and 10 more guy-line pegs any day. In theory one would need to calculate an index per tent in terms of poles factored in with amount of ground pegs and amount of guy-line pegs to come to a conclusion. As said, I favor poles over pegs, but that is just me.

The Kapmeeuw (a beauty), a tent De Waard should continue, would have one of the best of those calculated indexes, little poles, litte ground pegs and little guy-line pegs, great height, good space. It can be satisfactory extended with a simple tarp and one more pole to gain "outside" protected living area.

The Goudplevier is really the next best "current" thing, and is often available for an attractive price. Kapmeeuw, at least of what I saw the last three years on MP, is much more seldom to get in really good shape. However, the Goudplevier only shines with full rig, so plus a serreluifel and two windscherms. In all honesty, then it is not a "one night" tent anymore. Pegs become endless.

Also in all honesty, besides a "basic" Kapmeeuw, there is little what I would dare to call a real one night tent in a 3P category. Tents becomes big fast. When people talk one night, then often really about the small De Waard tents. So with bigger kids (which you don't have) they take two small tents. If you set up a Grote Bonte Specht, it will also mainly shine with (XL) tarp. Once that is done, you also had your fun with pegs, but anyway....it does not fit your dimensions.

Conclusively, I would go for a Goudplevier just because you find it more often in excellent shape very nicely priced and then live with some small downsides vs. a Kapmeeuw. We set up our Goudplevier any day with more fun than our former Overloper :) If you find a decent Kapmeeuw, I would not take any second guess.....jump on it.


THanks Andreas. THere are a few GOudpleviers and Zilverpleviers on Marktplaats.

Now i need to decide if i should be patient to get a Kapmeeuw, or look at what is available now....

On Marktplaats there is one Goudplevier within my budget. 30 weeks €500.
https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/caravans-e ... ousPage=lr

And two zilverpleviers

zilverplevier#1 - €400, 10 weeks, tent carpet, side wings, apron
https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/caravans-e ... ousPage=lr


zilverplevier#2 - €500 (sellee has said they will take €450, 15 weeks, no extras
advert has expired, but tent is stil for sale
https://link.marktplaats.nl/m1289373286

from an old post i have read that Goudplevier is quicker than a Kemphaan, so will discount the Kemphaan now. See Rolph's post on Feb 03, 2016, 5:42 PM: -
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14540&hilit=Zilverplevier+goudplevier


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 25 jul 2018, 10:58 
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In my opinion the Goudplevier is too expensive given it’s been used 30 weeks (looks very discolered)

The €400,— Zilverplevier is not a bargain however a fair price in todays market. It looks wel looked after.

The other ZP is just too expensive with no extras.

Besides that I think a Goudplevier or Kapmeeuw would be better suited. Pitching is equally easy as the smaller tents but you get more comfort due to a little more space.

Between a Kapmeeuw or a Goudplevier I would choose te latter. Why? Both are easy to pitch tents, the extra pole in the GP won’t cost you the world in time. The GP however offers way more comfort because of the two poles in front. Besides that, the GP has the possibility to add awnings and screens whereas the Kapmeeuw does not (unless custom made).

Only real risk you have with the GP you won’t be using your other the Waard tent anymore. For one adult and two kids, the GP is all you need. For a longer stay just ad awnings and screens, for a short stay, only use the tent.


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 25 jul 2018, 11:08 
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The GP has less poles than a Kemphaan. And it is quicker and easier to pitch.
And it has more height. So that would be my suggestion.


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BerichtGeplaatst: 25 jul 2018, 16:13 
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"The GP has less poles than a Kemphaan."

Hi Rolph,
are you talking length in cm or segments? In real life practise there is no significant difference. Kemphaan might have one more back pole, Goudplevier has longer poles in cm to fiddle with and carry.

Also, so far we all see the Goudplevier's potential in its full rigged glory, right, so the bag gets bigger with two more poles for a serreluifel in case of a Goudplevier. But is Phil happy with just a plain Goudplevier with no luifel and no windscherms? To make it clearer, my Kemphaan poles are 6 Kilo something in the bag, our GP poles will not be much more, not really a big, big deal more, but a bit more and with two more ca. 2 Meter poles for a serreluifel, my GP pole bag is 10+ Kilos. That is what I call significant. So what are we talking about? Yes, we all mean a fully rigged Goudplevier eventually, so then I say the Goudplevier will have significantly more poles than a Kemphaan that does not have this option from the factory (excluding AT).

Phil has to confirm what he needs and desires in the cooking and living outside respect.

The Goudplevier is bigger, and once set up with almost equal intensity gives a more rewarding feeling, when you drag the A pole into the tent and almost no need to crouch. For some reason I also wish the Kemphaan had less pegs, but it is as it is. Both have around 30 pegs (roughly, give or take). 2 or 4 more pegs is not huge, not in real life.

On judging offers, Moose has good nose :-) If the seller sends the Zilverplevier to the UK, chances are high for a good resell value, if you don't like it. It's luifel is not huge as I said once before, its just 170cm high, you need to crouch. But boy, it will feel light and nimble to set up. You just need to reconfirm, if the space it has is good enough for all you need to do.

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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 25 jul 2018, 16:45 
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In my opinion the Goudplevier is too expensive given it’s been used 30 weeks (looks very discolered)

The €400,— Zilverplevier is not a bargain however a fair price in todays market. It looks wel looked after.

The other ZP is just too expensive with no extras.

Besides that I think a Goudplevier or Kapmeeuw would be better suited. Pitching is equally easy as the smaller tents but you get more comfort due to a little more space.

Between a Kapmeeuw or a Goudplevier I would choose te latter. Why? Both are easy to pitch tents, the extra pole in the GP won’t cost you the world in time. The GP however offers way more comfort because of the two poles in front. Besides that, the GP has the possibility to add awnings and screens whereas the Kapmeeuw does not (unless custom made).

Only real risk you have with the GP you won’t be using your other the Waard tent anymore. For one adult and two kids, the GP is all you need. For a longer stay just ad awnings and screens, for a short stay, only use the tent.


Thanks Moose.

You touch on a dilemna in your last paragraph. I love the Zilvermeeuw as it has a separate living area and plenty of room inside the tent. It is also a very good clean tent with years of use left.

For my second de waard tent, i wish to buy one that is significantly different so that tent has its 'role'. This means that part of me wants a significantly smaller tent so i will always know which tent to choose... I am also fully aware there is a logical inconsistency in my thinking!

At what proce would that Goudplevier become good value? It already has a bid of 300.

rolph schreef:
The GP has less poles than a Kemphaan. And it is quicker and easier to pitch.
And it has more height. So that would be my suggestion.


Thanks Rolph


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
BerichtGeplaatst: 25 jul 2018, 16:48 
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[b]"....Phil has to confirm what he needs and desires in the cooking and living outside respect.....


I have spent very little time under the 'awning of the tent, my children dont stay still long enough!

For eating / cooking, as this will be mostly one night camping, i will be cooking very simply with my Trangia. And often eating in a pub at night, so just cooking breakfast.

One thing i have noticed is that i spend a lot of time in the tent at night as the boys take a long time to sleep, so having a roomy tent makes absolute sense so they boys can play indoors for a little before sleep. I think this discounts the smaller tents such as a zilverplevier...


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
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Good that you recognize yourself the limits that exist. If you use a trangia storm cooker, like a 25 or 27 series, with gas or classic Trangia alc burner (we have a Trangia triangle with alc and gas burner) and you get turning weather and winds all the sudden, you should never cook inside for safety reasons (maybe that is just me), you should look for a Goudplevier with at least one windscherm. If you go out for dinner, the luifel of a plain Goudplevier may just do fine. Crossing my fingers, a good plain Goudplevier is your solution.

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One more question, why did you rule out the poly-cotton tunneltents? Budget? I still find a used 2015 and onwards Isduiker (new 899) a nice option. It may pull 500 to 600 out of your pockets, but you get great shoulder space (just 170 heigh) and with 100cm roof and 130cm living area you get 230cm of protected space in rain, no need for an extra luifel or tarp. It all is lightweight, alu bow poles, alu pegs, and you have decent amount of pegs, minimum lines. You sacrify on some lifespan and breathability, but you get a lot of comfort and what could be matching your needs, light in the "playground" (windows), also an innertent for the hated midges :) Just curious....

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At what proce would that Goudplevier become good value? It already has a bid of €300,—


Hard to say, these kind of tents are popular. From my personal point of view I would not buy a tent with 30 weeks on the counter. In the past I have bought tents with more use weeks and I always regretted it afterwards. They look old due to discoloration and most of the time I would find some imperfection that would bother me. Maybe I’m a little authistic about these kind of things ;-).

With patience I usually end up with the tent (or any given object I desire at any particular moment). Do not want it now, at this very moment but wait until the right one comes along. And sometimes you just get plain lucky and find a perfect tent without really looking for it. Serendipity finds are always the best.


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
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Zeltheld schreef:
One more question, why did you rule out the poly-cotton tunneltents? Budget? I still find a used 2015 and onwards Isduiker (new 899) a nice option. It may pull 500 to 600 out of your pockets, but you get great shoulder space (just 170 heigh) and with 100cm roof and 130cm living area you get 230cm of protected space in rain, no need for an extra luifel or tarp. It all is lightweight, alu bow poles, alu pegs, and you have decent amount of pegs, minimum lines. You sacrify on some lifespan and breathability, but you get a lot of comfort and what could be matching your needs, light in the "playground" (windows), also an innertent for the hated midges :) Just curious....


Hi Andreas,

I havent actively discounted, but my impression was that it didnt seem suitable for a 'one-nigh-tent', but perhaps i am wrong...
Cost is also a significant factor

I ned to keep in mind that my 'baseline' one night tent for comparison is the Kapmeeuw with just 3 poles and 20 something pegs. The more poles and pegs and canvas i add to that, the closer i get to my current ZIlvermeeuw.


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
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At what proce would that Goudplevier become good value? It already has a bid of €300,—


Hard to say, these kind of tents are popular. From my personal point of view I would not buy a tent with 30 weeks on the counter. In the past I have bought tents with more use weeks and I always regretted it afterwards. They look old due to discoloration and most of the time I would find some imperfection that would bother me. Maybe I’m a little authistic about these kind of things ;-).

With patience I usually end up with the tent (or any given object I desire at any particular moment). Do not want it now, at this very moment but wait until the right one comes along. And sometimes you just get plain lucky and find a perfect tent without really looking for it. Serendipity finds are always the best.


Now i have received my bonus and can buy a tent i am being too impatient...Surely a suitable tent will come soon?!

Thoughts on this tent?

https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/caravans-e ... ousPage=lr

Has been repaired


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
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I understand, but nothing will come close to the Kapmeeuw basic design, that is however just my opinion. The advantage of many tunnels is the correct bow pole segments are connected with a bungee cord, so very fast assembly of all bow poles and often a fact not recognized by pyramid lovers. We have a very, very nice lady that comes to all meetings with an Ijsduiker for one or two nights. I think her setup time is not much worse. Once any Goudplevier received a serreluifel and or two windscherms then things become.....well, you'll see :)

Patience is really key.

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Thoughts on this tent?

https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/caravans-e ... ousPage=lr

Has been repaired


Looks like a fine tent. Personally I would skip it cause of the repair patch and the dog. Once had a tent from people who had a dog. Everytime it started to rain or got humid I could smell te dog.

The repair patch is placed due to an error in the fabric. I know this happens sometimes. Usually de Waard then gives you a choice; another tent or a solution like this with a discount on the tent.

However the guy who’s selling this tent is a thurstworthy fellow and the tent looks fine minus the cosmetic imperfection. But it’s not a Kapmeeuw or Goudplevier ;-).


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 Berichttitel: Re: A 'one night' De Waard Tent
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I didnt have to wait much longer to find a Kapmeeuw.

A member of the Facebook De Waard group has a Kapmeeuw and is willing to sell. THey have been a member there for some time and posted a picture of their Kapmeeuw last year so all appears to be leigitimate.

They havent yet stated their wanted price, what would be a fair price for a decent Kapmeeuw?

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